president obama insisting he will not negotiate on this. republicans are refusing to budge. and the clock keeps ticking and climbing. let's talk about it now with a man who spent a lot of time looking into this. dennis kucinich a former democratic congressman from ohio. we say former. it is just this year. first session of congress in a long time. >> last wreak. jon: just since last week you haven't been there. what is the solution here? >> well, no, yes, we do need to have a disinmr. ed approach to spending, there's no question about that and things are out of control. when you look at the fact that the national debt in 2002 was about the $6.2 trillion. now it is headed towards 16.4. we can no longer handle this just by talking about cutting spending. we have to go and look at the structural issues dealing with our money supply. until we do that, congress must do that, but what we can't do, we can not let our country go into default. we can not let our economy go in the tank because of this partisan argument over the debt. jon: you say that it is as, partisan as you have ev